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To: "Roger Jones" <Roger.Jones@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: typographical name for the # symbol
From: "Thomas Michanek" <thomas.michanek@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:16:16 +0200
Cc: "Free Framers" <framers@xxxxxxxxx>
Organization: At home
References: <LYRIS-71113-128922-2001.07.02-00.56.22--chattare#telia.com@lists.frameusers.com>
Reply-To: "Thomas Michanek" <thomas.michanek@xxxxxxxxx>
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*** The original message appeared on the FrameUsers mailing list. *** This reply is copied only to the framers@omsys.com mailing list. From: "Roger Jones" <Roger.Jones@rjpc.demon.co.uk> > I am seeking the proper typographical name for the # symbol. I've seen it > called: > * crosshatch > * hash > * number > * pound > * sharp > * octothorpe. > > None of these seems entirely convincing as a typographical term (cf. > ampersand), the last in the list being a telephone-industry invention of > relatively recent years. All of the above are more or less commonly used names for the '#' sign, but from a typographical standpoint, the name "sharp" is incorrect, as this is a musical symbol that have a different appearance (glyph, if you like). Names like "number" and "pound" reflects the *context* or *usage*, not the appearance. "crosshatch" refers to the appearance. I'm not sure where the name "hash" comes from. The story of "octothorpe" can be found at: http://www.quinion.com/words/weirdwords/ww-oct1.htm even though Robert Bringhurst, The Elements of Typographic Style (1992), claims that "octothorp" comes from cartography, meaning "eight fields": http://www.brodynewmedia.com/Octo.html Apparently, '#' is a cartographic symbol for village, and "thorpe[e]" is actually Old English or Old Norse for hamlet, village or farm. According to http://nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/cf_32.htm this comes from a much older Indo-European word meaning something like "beam" or "timber". Interestingly enough, in Sweden the '#' is a cartographic symbol for "timber yard"! (and "torp" is Swedish for croft or cottage). Given the above, I'd say that "octothorpe" seems like a nice name :-) Finally, a very good source of information is http://lists.village.virginia.edu/lists_archive/Humanist/v12/0447.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Thomas Michanek, FrameMaker/UNIX/MIF expert Technical Writer, IAR Systems, Uppsala, Sweden mailto:Thomas.Michanek@telia.com http://w1.184.telia.com/~u18407300/ * * NEW WEB ADDRESS SINCE JUNE 1 * * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ** To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@omsys.com ** ** with "unsubscribe framers" (no quotes) in the body. **