RE: Help!: Update Frame for Mac OSX; We Need Your Votes!

["Dov Isaacs" <isaacs@xxxxxxxxx>]

NO! No one from Adobe ever said that all of their next whole number 
versions (x.0) are going to be "Carbonized". What we have said, quite
consistently since the first version of MacOS X was "released" a few
months back can be found at:
<http://www.adobe.com/products/adobesupportsOSX.html>

Specifically, you can find information about FrameMaker and MacOS X
at: <http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/framemakerOSX.html>
There are no plans to carbonize FrameMaker for the next major release.

I might further add that "campaigns" of the type urged below with a
"Mac fan magazine" will not have any positive effect other to start
stupid rumors again. And both users of FrameMaker and your friends
within Adobe need such rumors and media pressure like we need a third
head.

Lest anybody think that carbonization of an application is trivial,
let me assure you that it isn't. Adobe has been work on carbonization
of other applications and our core technologies for well over two 
years now. The carbon specs have been fairly fluid over time and there
is still not a version of "carbonlib" that actually works well enough
for Adobe applications to function at a level under MacOS X that evens
functionality under MacOS 9.x and earlier. If you had a preference,
would you prefer the "neat and cool" of MacOS X or would you like to
be able to print?

Plus, the moment you carbonize, you force users of "classic Macs" to 
upgrade to MacOS 9.1 at a minimum. Adobe is working with Apple to try 
to not only fix carbonlib, but add base functionality under MacOS X 
such that it is not PostScript and Type 1/OpenType brain-dead out of 
the box.

So please, do Lee Richardson and team (as well as myself and other
Adobe employees who monitor these lists) a big favor and "cool your jets"
on this issue. We know you want FrameMaker native under MacOS X.
WE want FrameMaker native under MacOS X. Given the timing and resources
for the next version of FrameMaker AND the amount of work required to
get carbonization "right" once Apple supplies a working carbonlib and
OS, getting the next version of FrameMaker carbonized is just not
in the cards.

        - Dov


At 6/28/2001 03:28 AM, Hays, Dennis wrote:
>Didn't Adobe say that all of their next whole number versions (x.0) are
>going to be "Carbonized"?
>
>Dennis
>---------------------------------------------
>Dennis Hays Information Design
>web: http://www.haysdesign.com
>mailto:dhays@haysdesign.com
>Telephone: +1 518.479.4220
>June 28, 2001  6:28:15 AM

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Nailen [mailto:jeffnailen@earthlink.net]
>Sent: June 27, 2001 10:32 PM
>To: framers@omsys.com
>Subject: Help!: Update Frame for Mac OSX; We Need Your Votes!
>
>To all Mac Frame users:
>
>We need your 'votes'!
>
>As you know, a big issue is when or whether Adobe will carbonize or
>cocoa-ize Frame for the Mac.
>
>I've posted a new topic on the Macworld 'Operating Systems' forum asking
>Macworld to add Frame to its chart of 4 dozen or so 'key applications being
>rewritten to run natively in OSX', an ongoing tool they are using to track
>developers' progress & announcement dates. The chart is on their home page.
>
>If Frame is added to this chart of 'key' Mac apps (along with several other
>higher-profile Adobe products), it will raise Frame's visibility on Adobe's
>radar screen, and let Adobe know there are many Mac Frame users who want
>this update. If they know there's a large demand for this, they may update
>sooner than otherwise.
>
>If enough people contact Macworld, they may just respond by adding Frame to
>their list, so that every time they contact Adobe for an update, Frame will
>be included in the inquiry.
>
>If Macworld identifies Frame as a 'key' app, perhaps Adobe will recognize it
>as such.  
>
>After just 1 day, we already have 8 replies. We only need 7 more to turn
>this into a 'hot' topic that will get the Macworld editors' attention.
>
>Please, when you get a chance,
>
>1) go to www.macworld.com
>
>2) click on the 'Forums' tab
>
>3) go to the 'Operating Systems' forum
>
>4) find the 'Adobe FrameMaker on Road to OSX' topic
>
>and register your support. It will only take a couple minutes.
>
>Btw, Adobe actively monitors these forums, so you will get double the bang
>out of your message!
>
>Thanks!


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