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To: Victor Caston <vcaston@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Standard space again
From: Mark Barratt <markb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 12:57:30 +0100
CC: Framers List <framers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Framers <framers@xxxxxxxxx>
Organization: Text Matters
References: <LYRIS-25495-99549-2001.06.23-21.55.22--markb#textmatters.com@lists.frameusers.com>
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Victor Caston wrote: > For Monotype Bembo, 14 pt has a standard space of .28 em, but .25 em > for 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, and 13 pt). In the font itself, the space character has a width of 278 units. PostScript fonts are conventionally but not necessarily built to a 1000-unit em, so this probably equates to 278/1000 ems. > > But notice what happens with Monotype Ehrhardt (which is what I need > to use for one of my documents): > > 8 pt has a standard space of .24 em > 9 .25 > 10 .25 > 11 .24 > 12 .23 > 13 .24 > 14 .23 > 16 .25 > 18 .23 > > Goes up and down -- not even a linear progression. Monotype PostScript Ehrhardt has a wordspace of 235 units. I can't replicate your results: Frame claims Standard Space = 0.23 at every size (Win2000, ATM DeLuxe 4.1, FrameMaker+SGML 6.0, unified PostScript driver). This is what I would expect to see. > > If the standard space for Framemaker were always M/4, and each font > size has its own em measure, should they all be .25? Some apps do set their own wordspace values, but Frame takes it from the font (at least if the font is PostScript - don't know if this is the same in TrueType/OpenType). The space character (ASCII 32) width in the font itself is set by the font designer. Fashions in wordspacing change, and the value in the font probably reflects when it was designed and the opinions of the designer. Usually they are too wide IMHO, and I set the optimum to 80% of the design width and see what it looks like. The actual visual value of the space also depends on the kern-pair settings. Some fonts have kern values for letter-space and punctuation-space pairs. If you want to be appalled, try setting 'off. When' in Monotype Bembo with kerning switched on. -- Mark Barratt Text Matters phone +44 (0)118 986 8313 fax +44 (0)118 931 3743 email markb@textmatters.com web http://www.textmatters.com ** To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@omsys.com ** ** with "unsubscribe framers" (no quotes) in the body. **