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Subject: Re: Dov's help, Shooting the messenger, Fruitless posts
From: Larry Kollar <Larry.Kollar@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:13:16 -0500
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In-reply-to: <1593341951.20050123123513@haysdesign.com>
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Rolling up two sets of comments into one response.... >> Thanks to all who chased away such a valuable Acrobat resource from >> this list. Color me unconvinced that simple speculation was enough to precipitate Dov's leaving the list. Anyone who didn't want to see the chatter could filter on the subject line; Dov wasn't official so he wasn't required to read everything posted here. When I "saw" him reading the list & answering questions while nominally on vacation, I worried about him burning out. >> I cannot believe how bad the "chicken little" syndrome has gotten >> here as of late. Those of you pushing and prying on this list >> should be ashamed of yourselves for acting in such a manner, and >> should take your concerns up with your FrameMaker support or sales >> contact, NOT a user-oriented mailing list independent of Adobe. Again, I'm unconvinced. My own attempts to take concerns directly to Adobe were met with stock non-answers and parroting of the text on the website. An Adobe-run list would have likely shut down a "speculation" thread. So if an "independent user-oriented mailing list" isn't the place to talk about the future of a product, then I'm stumped for a more appropriate venue. A lot of the Mac-specific chatter already moved to Paul Findon's list, BTW, and the threads here & on FrameUsers were already showing signs of winding down & would have been naught but background noise by next week. And, I would point out, a simple comment from Adobe PR -- "we have shut down MacOS development for FrameMaker, but intend to continue developing Windows and Solaris versions for the foreseeable future" for example -- would have killed all speculation. > This is one of the reasons why many other lists are moderated. I know > Jeremy has a fairly liberal attitude regarding list management, but, > as a result of this event, I strongly recommend he review his > policies. On FrameUsers, Brad has called for "no further comments" on heated topics in the past -- my take was that it hadn't got to that point. Like I said, this would have most likely blown over on its own in a week. Given that this list is called "Free Framers" by many, and originally created when some thought Brad was too heavy-handed, I don't see list policies changing much. Just my opinion; I could be wrong. -- Larry Kollar, Senior Technical Writer, ARRIS "Content creators are the engine that drives value in the information life cycle." -- Barry Schaeffer, on XML-Doc ** To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxx ** ** with "unsubscribe framers" (no quotes) in the body. **