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To: framers@xxxxxxxxx, framers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Sheila Barnes <barnes@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Frame versus Word
From: Hedley Finger <hfinger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:26:25 +1000
In-Reply-To: <29FD27CEE49ED2118954006008BFD25503C51B@dec02.usq.edu.au>
Sender: owner-framers@xxxxxxxxx
Sheila: > >I know this has been covered before. >I must prove why we should continue to use Frame not Word. >We produce large study books for students. We use all the advanced features >such as conditional text, hypertext linking, cross referencing, indexing and >TOC, and compare documents. All of these features are very user friendly. >Our study books are now being sent to an outside entity for conversion to >html for online delivery. > I think I saw a page of hyperlinks to Web pages and PDF documents comparing Word and FrameMaker at <http://www.frameusers.com>. If it isn't there you may be able to find it with a search engine: include 'alex ~ ragen' in the keywords submitted to an Alta Vista search. There is also a white paper on how the University of Melbourne uses a database, FrameMaker+SGML, and Acrobat to publish the undergraduate course handbooks in print, on CD-ROM, and on the Web at <http://www.its.unimelb.edu.au/papers/cause97/DMcause97.html>. I'm sure the author would be happy to help you. With respect to your working methods: Conditional text ---------------- Word doesn't have it, full stop. Hyperlinking ------------ Word has it but it is inferior to FrameMaker. Also, Word always uses the absolute filepath to other files, not the relative path as FrameMaker does. So if you move the fileset to another directory all the links break. FrameMaker lets you use the message marker to open files in other programs. FrameMaker hyperlinks are preserved in PDF and HTML; don't know about Word's. Cross-referencing ----------------- The common cross-reference format [see] "This Is the Topic Heading" on page 18-21 takes one step in FrameMaker but three in Word unless you set up a macro. In the above example, the entire cross-reference is a hyperlink in FrameMaker, PDF, and HTML, but in Word only 'This Is the Topic Heading' and '21' are links in Word itself and WordViewer (the fool's Acrobat Reader), but not in PDF and not in HTML. Word does not have cross-reference formats, so you have to either create macros or construct them manually each time. Also, when you add a cross-reference to a heading, Word displays all the headings at all levels in the pick list. If your document is at all lengthy and has many headings, it becomes very difficult to find the correct target. Word only let's you easily create cross-reference to heading paragraphs, whereas Frame let's you choose any para tag as a target. If a cross-reference breaks, FrameMaker at least preserves the wording of the original reference as a clue to help you restore it. Word's 'Error! Bookmark not found' (or somesuch) is no help at all. FrameMaker can also generate a list of broken links in a fileset making up a book from which you can hyperjump to the offending reference. Indexing -------- Word's indexing has improved to the extent that character styles (tags) are preserved from compilation to compilation. But you have no control over sorting order and only limited control over the typography and layout. But, most damning, Word's generated index entries are not hyperlinks anywhere, unlike FrameMaker, where they are hyperlinks within FrameMaker and generated PDF (don't know about HTML as I have not had to convert and indexed book to HTML yet). ToC --- Word can compile ToC's across multiple files but you have to set up a separate TOC field for each member file. So if you change the chapter order, add a file, delete a file, or whatever, you have to go back and fix the TOC fields accordingly. You have almost no control over the typography of the ToC. Word applies a paragraph style to the entire ToC entry (hope you like 18 pt bold leader dots), whereas the builder template in your ToC file let's you control the complete appearance of each component of an entry in FrameMaker: chapter number, heading text, leaders or lack thereof, and folios. This is a convenient point to mention FrameMaker's philosophy of many small files making up a book v. Word's of having to put the entire document into a single file or face lots of manual maintenance ensuring chapters, figures, tables, etc. number correctly across multiple files. (Everybody gave up on the notorioous master document in Word years ago and Microsoft still haven't fixed it in the latest release.) I have a 300-page document in Word mainly for ease of cross-referencing and compiling the ToC and Index, and, boy, is it scary. I could break it up into smaller files at the cost of increased maintenance of the ToC and Index. Also, while I have the file open, no-one else can work on it. With Frame files, one person can be writing a file, another indexing a different file, and a third incorporating reviewer feedback. Document comparison ------------------- About the same. Word's revision tracking beats FrameMaker hollow by highlighting reviwer's online changes and deletions, and allowing the editor to quickly accept or reject changes. Adobe could easily add this to FrameMaker to take advantage of conditional text and moreover allow each reviwer to have a different colour, unlike Word. Reliability ----------- Word crashes more often than FrameMaker. I have used FrameMaker and FrameMaker+SGML (formerly FrameBuilder) on Macintosh, HP-UX, SunOS, Solaris, Windows, and Windows NT, from version 3.0 to 5.5.6, and have NEVER lost a single character of text because of a crash. (I've lost plenty owing to my own stupidity though!) As far as I can tell, a separate daemon constantly 'watches' FrameMaker and, as soon as FM crashes, saves a file dump of the document's memory structure on disk. If I could have a dollar for every character lost by Word, I wouldn't be sitting here contributing to a Framers forum. And the so-called recovery file that Word displays after a crash is NOT NECESSARILY THE MOST RECENT VERSION OF YOUR FILE. Alternative rabbit-skinning methods =================================== @ Publish in PDF, not HTML. We all know that FrameMaker works brillianty with Acrobat to produce PDF files, with full hyperlinking from the ToC, LoF, LoT, Index, and cross-references (none of these survive PDF conversion from Word). You could publish these both on the Web and on CD-ROM. @ Find another conversion service. Sounds like your conversion service imagines it is the master, not the servant, in wanting you to work more inefficiently and at greater expense throughout the content-development cycle just so that it can save a few dollars at the final step. Why not try Allette Systems -- Marcus Carr <mailto:mrc@allette.com.au>, at Allette Systems (Australia) <http://www.allette.com.au>, frequently contributes to these forums. Allette also have a Queensland representative: Grant Nobes, <mailto:gnobes@allette.com.au>, telephone 07 3260 2895. Can other Australian Framers suggest alternative conversion services to Sheila. Regards, Hedley ======================================================================== Monica Couttie E-mail: <mcouttie@handholding.com.au> Tel +61 3 9809 1229 Fax +61 3 9809 1326 (07:30--21:00 hours AEST) Mobile +61 412 461 558 (after hours only as it is my husband's) ** To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@omsys.com ** ** with "unsubscribe framers" (no quotes) in the body. **