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To: "'FrameUsers Self-Help'" <framers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "'Free-Framers Self-Help'" <framers@xxxxxxxxx>, "'Acrobat Self-Help'" <requests@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Acrobat 4.05 -- consumer law options
From: "Hedley Finger (EPA)" <Hedley.Finger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:54:55 +1100
Cc: "'isaacs@xxxxxxxxx'" <isaacs@xxxxxxxxx>
Importance: high
Sender: owner-framers@xxxxxxxxx
I spoke to an officer of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) at lunchtime and his initial reaction pending further consultation with colleagues was: Goods not of merchantable quality Fitness for purpose ================================= Consumers purchased Acrobat 4.0 with the reasonable expectation that it would work as version 3.x had. For example, a purchaser could reasonably expect that A4.0 would compress JPEG images according to the option selected. Remedy: return of goods and refund of purchase price False or misleading representation (1) ====================================== Consumers, influenced by advertising which failed to inform users of missing or faulty functionality, etc. purchased goods reasonably expecting it to perform as advertised. Remedy: fine for manufacturer, and return of goods and refund of purchase price False or misleading representation (2) ====================================== Consumer purchased goods in shop believing it to be the latest version in the absence of any communication from the manufacturer, carton stickers, leaflets, or other warning to the contrary, but in fact were sold old stock, that is, v. 4.0 instead of 4.05. This would arise if dealers still held old stock, or Adobe had not replaced dealers old stock with new stock once the defects were known or advised dealers of the defects and had requested dealers to advise purchasers as such at the point of sale, or new and old stock were mixed on dealers shelves without distinction as to labelling or packaging. Remedy: fine for manufacturer, and return of goods and refund of purchase price The officer said that Adobe are not obliged to provide the fixes or updates free of charge even though they may have appeared to have set a precedent by providing patch releases free in the past, for example, FrameMaker 5.5.6. But, prima facie, they ARE obliged to refund the purchase price if the ACCC were to find that any of the above scenarios apply. Australian purchasers should make sure they DO NOT purchase or upgrade from the Adobe USA web site because of questions of jurisdiction as to where a sale takes place -- Australia or USA. They are advised to purchase from an Australian page or dealer, or respond to any mailout offers from Adobe Systems Australia, to ensure Australian jurisdiction. An ACCC fine is not to be sniffed at. Telstra, one of our telcos, was threatened with fines of $A1 million per day until they gave other telcos access to consumers telephone lines at reasonable tariffs. Needless to say, the desired access was provided overnight. I'll advise of further developments as they occur. Keep watching this space. [FrameMaker 5.5.6, Acrobat 3.02, Windows 98, HP OmniBook 2100] Regards, Hedley Finger Technical Writer Subscribe to the alternative framers: <mailto:majordomo@omsys.com?Subject=Subscribe%20to%20framers>; message must consist of only (no signature) -- subscribe framers your@preferred.email.address help end Ericsson Australia Pty Ltd Tel. +61 3 9301 6214 Cell. +61 412 461 558 Fax. +61 3 9301 6199 Email. hedley.finger@ericsson.com.au Hand Holding Projects Pty Ltd Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Cell. +61 412 461 558 Fax. +61 3 9809 1326 Email. hfinger@handholding.com.au ** To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@omsys.com ** ** with "unsubscribe framers" (no quotes) in the body. **