RE: cleaning out old fonts

["Schwedland, Steve" <Schwedsl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Rhea Tolman wrote:
> All occurrences of these tags/fonts are in tables. As far as I can
> tell, they're being used to create "ghost" columns. I've got
> three-column tables that have 8 or more columns defined in the
> MIF! And the ghost columns have, of course, the ghost tags and
> ghost fonts. I'm feeling pretty haunted 'long about now. 
> 
Ok, I know this is not very glamorous, but have you tried the "brute force"
method.  That would be to select the table and convert it to text and then
convert it back to a table using the updated table tag, or some version of
that?  It seems like you have some legacy information from previous versions
(of the document and FrameMaker) conspiring to stay alive as long as
possible.  Starting from a clean slate might just clean up the problem.

Just a thought.
______________________________________
Steve Schwedland
Digital Publishing Facilitator 
SYKES Enterprises, Incorporated
Worldwide Product Information Development
5757 Central Avenue, Suite G
Boulder, CO 80301
Telephone: (303) 440-0909; ext. 133
Fax: (303) 440-6369
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> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Rhea Tolman [SMTP:rtolman@interbase.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, January 07, 1999 5:10 PM
> To:	Snavely, Deborah
> Cc:	'framers@omsys.com'
> Subject:	Re: cleaning out old fonts
> 
> Deborah, thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, I've had "Remember
> Missing Fonts" unchecked for some time. That gets rid of
> everything except old fonts in tables. You sound like you really
> know your stuff. Got any other ideas?
> 
> I've also followed Jay Smith's advice (thank you Jay!): I've
> double-checked that the old, unused tags that have the unwanted
> fonts REALLY don't exist anywhere in the doc--Body, Reference, or
> Master pages. Then I've re-created the four or five old tags that
> turn up in the MIF with the old fonts but I've re-created them
> using current fonts and definitions and done Update All. Looking
> in the MIF, I found that those tags STILL had the old fonts.
> 
> 
> These ancient tags and fonts seem to be locked away in parts of
> the table that don't really exist. I'm pretty good with
> FrameMaker, I've used it for years and I like it a lot. And
> generally I have a fairly good time solving problems. But this one
> has really got me. I'm trying to clean up the templates and doc
> set so that we can distribute them to contractors and outsources.
> I'm almost there. All I have to do is bust the ghosts.
> 
> Thanks to all...
> 
> Rhea
> Lead Technical Writer, InterBase Software Corp.
> 
> 
> "Snavely, Deborah" wrote:
> > 
> > Rhea,
> > 
> > >What to do? I can't search for either the tags or the fonts in the
> > >native FrameMaker file, because they're not accessible in that
> > >form. The MIF file is intricate, and I'm not at all confident that
> > >I could remove the unwanted font calls without munging the file.
> > >And, there are a LOT of them. These are old docs. They've been
> > >around.
> > >
> > >FWIW, I'm using FrameMaker 5.5.2 on NT4 with Adobe Type Manager
> > >Deluxe. I think that the docs have always been on Wintel
> > >platforms.
> > 
> > On any version of Frame (4.0 and up for Mac, 5.5 and up for Windows)
> that
> > offers the "Remember Missing Fonts" preference, you can quickly remove
> any
> > truly unused font names with the following simple procedure (per file,
> but
> > it's fairly quick):
> > 
> > 1. With the file closed/ open Frame Preferences and un-check Remember
> > Missing Fonts.
> > 2. Open the file or files you want to clean up, respond to the dialog
> box
> > about missing fonts, then save and close the file/s.
> > 3. Open the file/s a second time to check that you do NOT get the
> missing
> > fonts dialog again.
> > 4. When you're done with all files (or for the day, I don't recommend
> > leaving Frame Prefs set this way for any length of time), open Prefs and
> > check Remember Missing Fonts.
> > 
> > As always, do one or two test files to make sure this procedure does
> what
> > you want. Note that uncataloged paragraphs or characters on reference
> and
> > master pages may contain fonts not in your current styles but could
> cause
> > some past-style fonts (ghosts, I call 'em) to remain in your document.
> > Cleaning up document templates to delete such ghosts is a fine art, and
> an
> > action I recommend whenever you make major style changes to
> dept/corporate
> > docs (you're using templates, yes?). Once ghost fonts and other elements
> are
> > gone, there are two or three fairly clean ways to apply the new styles
> to
> > older documents being revised or updated. For new docs, it's almost
> always
> > easiest to clone a blank template or boilerplate (based on the current
> > template) and assemble docs from there.
> > 
> > Good luck!
> > 
> > Deborah Snavely
> > Senior Technical Writer
> > consulting at Visa
> > standard disclaimers apply
> > 
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