Re: Censorship alive and well on frameusers

["Fred Ridder" <docudoc@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Sorry, Art, but you are incorrect about the Techwr-l list being
"tightly moderated". It is an unmoderated list. Lisa does monitor
the list fairly closely (as did the previous list administrators)
because it has a long history of quickly veering deeply (and
often passionately) off-topic, but what she does is after-the-fact
monitoring rather than before-the-fact moderation.


> From: Art Campbell <art.campbell@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: Thomas Michanek <framers@xxxxxxxxx>
> CC: Bill Swallow <techcommdood@xxxxxxxxx>, framers@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Censorship alive and well on frameusers
> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:54:30 -0500
>
> My reply to Hedley's original was held for moderator approval by 
> framers.com.
> I figured screw it, and killed the post.
>
> Just in passing... in the default install of Mailman, moderation is
> not turned on.
> Although one of Mailman's nicer features is the ability to turn
> moderation on for
> individual list members, rather than throwing the entire list into
> moderated mode
> (although you can, of course, do that).
>
> Also, again just in passing. Lisa and her company are the owners of the 
> Tech
> Writer's list too, and that is very tightly moderated.
>
> Art
>
> On 11/22/05, Thomas Michanek <framers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > To a certain degree, I can agree with Bill that maybe the messages
> > in this topic are a bit premature. Maybe things simply haven't
> > settled down yet, and things will improve.
> >
> > On the other hand, the concerns raised are very much valid.
> > Needless to say, I won't consider re-subscribing to FrameUsers
> > until Lisa adress them somehow.
> >
> > And Bill, don't you think it's odd that the *only* message in
> > this thread that apparently made it through to the FrameUsers
> > list (according to the new archive) is your own, which just
> > happens to be the message with no criticism? Or could you
> > confirm that the other five messages were actually posted
> > to FrameUsers?
> >
> > /Thomas
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Swallow" <techcommdood@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <framers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <framers@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: Censorship alive and well on frameusers
> >
> >
> > > Wow.
> > >
> > > I saw the list transition as transparent, save for a "moderated"
> > > message once and only once. I asked Lisa about it privately and she
> > > told me it was a one-time deal due to moving over to the new list
> > > platform.
> > >
> > > Sounded fair to me.
>
>
> --
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