RE: Office 2003 Beta

[m.oritz_b.erger@xxxxxxxxxxx (Moritz Berger)]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-framers@omsys.com [mailto:owner-framers@omsys.com] On Behalf
Of
> DW Emory
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 5:07 PM


> You are naive when you state that Microsoft is a "major force" behind XML
> standards.

You're naive to suggest that it is not:
http://www.microsoft.com/net/business/standards.asp


> It has been a major force behind corrupting international standards
> in the case of HTML, and Java.

Where were you during let's say the 1990s? Does the name Netscape have any
relevance to you?

Everybody (!) "invented" custom HTML tags to complement the basic standard.

As for the SUN dictatorship and Java: I will refrain commenting on what
happened there.
Just one note: Java has never (!) been submitted to a standards organization
(e.g. W3C, ISO, ECMA, ...). SUN announced twice (!) its intention to do so
but withdrew the submission to maintain absolute power about the
intellectual property and use of Java.


So, there really never was a "standard" for Microsoft to corrupt ...

This discussion is getting more and more OT -- I will refrain from any
further comments.

If you're really too stupid to understand what it means that Microsoft is
using standard (!) XML-Schema (XSD) based documents, you disqualify yourself
for any further discussion about any XML related topic.

Sorry, I appreciate much of your contributions as far as FrameMaker is
concerned -- XML is becoming increasingly relevant for any Frame user,
that's why an understanding about the required tools (and yes, IMHO Office
2k3 will be relevant to some people in this context) will be a must in let's
say 2 years from now (that might even be a conservative estimate).

Spreading anti-MS propaganda really servers nobodies purpose -- if you're
after the truth, it will be a pleasure for me to take a valid XML schema of
your choice, fill in some information in Word 2003 and send the resulting
document back to you or post it here for everyone to see.

> You are naive if you believe it isn't trying
> to do the
> same thing with XML.

Nobody can "corrupt" XML -- as long as the document is valid, conforms to
the Infoset and has XSD schema information.


> Internet News is a reliable source of information, and in this case it was
> reporting
> the preliminary findings of a number of  Beta testers. Which do you prefer
to
> believe, the analyses of Beta testers, or the marketing fluff from
Microsoft?

Internet News was reporting based on hearsay:
Quote: " As for the file formats, he called Office 2003's XML "crippled,"
because it strips XML files of all presentation and formatting information
when saving them in the XML file format."

In reality, you can do both:
1. Save the document as a plain XML document in a selected customer-defined
schema, without any Word-specific markup. 
2. Save the document as a rich Word XML document including all the
information that is saved in the .doc format (such as custom property
metadata and so on).

Executive summary: Your source is bullshit.

M.



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