Fw: Illustrator or Photoshop against the native vector Framemaker format dilemma (was: Vector Images in Frame)

["Dmitri Yunov" <yudmi@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Fw:
==
Hmm.. Illustrator or Photoshop against native vector FrameMaker format
dilemma...

As a sample:
One of our small group of four people make about from 400 to 800 pages per
week of FrameMaker hardcode technical documentation using only PDF materials
as a source.
This documentation has a lot of complex flow-diagram-graphs and mixed
table+diagrams and even CAD drafts in the source PDF files. Most of these
draws are native vector objects with multiply text inlines inside PDF.

As that documentation should be used in the L10n industry translating to the
different languages other English, the common and very old L10n rule is to
have as much as possible text objects from flow-diagram-graph-mixed
table+diagrams and CAD drafts in the FrameMaker document as a native text
but not as an area of preview text in the imported EPS/PDF/SVG picture.

The good solution if you can force to get a simple conversion of
AI/Corel/AutoCAD/FH/MicroStation/Visio source draws to the native
FrameVector/MIF vector picture in one step.

I now only PS2vector and end-of-life Vthought flow perfect package that may
help in this way.

'Translation memory' technology (like used STAR-Transit XV, SDLX, TRADOS,
DejaVu,
TM/2 TM and CAT Tools) prefers to have whole text in access to improve the
quality of
terminology translation, translation uniformity and decrease the translation
time. It saves money for customers.

Another well-known problem of L10n/translation service is that the same text
in the different languages (after localisation or translation) has different
length/volume of string/para; therefore it will break and cross the areas of
pictures and picture/graph elements' borders.

The time that DTP engineer/operator should spend fixing it MUCH MORE if this
text was placed inside EPS/PDF/SVG in AI/Corel/AutoCAD/FH/MicroStation/Visio
source comparing to if he/she can do it directly inside Frame document.

Wish list:
I'm sure that if Illustrator or Photoshop saves the whole text part of its
pictures in the XML structure of tagged PSD/PDF/SVG/AI/TIFF (as it should be
in future versions of Adobe production), FrameMaker 8 would extract same
text and place it on the corresponded positions over the 'imported by
reference' picture.
Same text would be edit-able, seach-able, index-able, limited format-able
and structured.

Dov, Lee?

And your opinion?

Regards,
Dmitri.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Turner" <quills@airmail.net>
To: "Dmitri Yunov" <yudmi@star.spb.ru>; "Framers List"
<framers@FrameUsers.com>
Cc: "Jeroen Dekker" <jeroen@square1.nl>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: Vector Images in Frame


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Henning" <...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: Vector Images in Frame

> Besides, the original question was for _native_ vector graphics, which
> I understand to mean editable in FrameMaker. This would make CGM (as
> well as EPS) unsuitable, unless it can be converted.
>
> Regards
> Jan Henning
======
> The real deal is that FreeHand native file format is not supported.
> One reason that Illustrator or Photoshop is preferred when using
> FrameMaker. Use EPS. It is the path of least resistance, and produces
> excellant results.
>
> Scott

> At 7:50 PM +0300 11/12/02, Dmitri Yunov wrote:
> >It seems, the good way is to use PS2vector converter that may be very
> >effective for your case (except Mac platform).
> >You can get native FrameVector/MIF format via print/save to PS level 1
> >operation from FH.
> >
> >
> >Really bad news about PS2vector is that it's pure PS Level 1 only engine,
> >and most third-party EPS/PS files we tested were convert-proofed if you
have
> >no sources to regenerate PS level 1 image
> >(but you have source in FH and can get PS Level 1 easy).
> >
> >If an image has really PS Level 1 code only, the result is very
impressive
> >in FM.
> >
> >See http://www.square1.nl/TGC-SITE/ps2vector.htm
> >You may contact also Jeroen Dekker <Jeroen@Square1.nl>, I think.
> >
> >PS2vector is for Windows/HP-UX/Sun/AIX, but you can try it in Windows box
on
> >Mac via VirtualPC-like PC emulators.
> >
> >Another way may be to use CGM file format with ungroup vector elements
> >import options.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Dmitry Yunov
> >SSA
> >STAR-Group
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Sisk, Steve.H" <Steve.H.Sisk@westgroup.com>
> >To: "Framers List" <framers@FrameUsers.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:21 PM
> >Subject: Vector Images in Frame
> >
> >
> >>  Is there a way to bring vector images into FrameMaker as vectors
> >>  without using EPS? I have a vector image created in FreeHand 8.0 that
I want
> >>  to use  in FrameMaker 6.0 (both on Mac OS 9.2) as a native vector, but
I can't
> >>  get  any file formats to import as such.
> >>
> >>
> >>  -Steve Sisk


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