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Subject: Really NOT OT: Indexed color
From: Dov Isaacs <isaacs@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:13:44 -0700
Cc: framers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, framers@xxxxxxxxx, Frame2Acrobat@xxxxxxxxxxx
In-Reply-To: <LISTMANAGER-25396-17440-2002.04.25-11.20.23--isaacs#adobe.com@lists.raycomm.com>
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Brett, "Indexed RGB" or "indexed CMYK" differ from "regular RGB" and "regular CMYK" (to coin phrases) in that for indexed color, there are only 8-bits of color information for each pixel used as an "index" into a table of either 24-bit RGB or 32-bit CMYK color definitions. Where does the indexed color come from? The Distiller! In the process of distillation, the Distiller analyzes every image. For any RGB or CMYK image in which less than 256 distinct colors are actually referenced, the Distiller automatically changes to indexed color. This most often occurs with screen shots and bitmap logo images, for example. You would least likely see any indexed color in photographic images. This optimization is performed by the Distiller because simply stated, it can reduce the size of a given image by up to 66% for RGB or 75% for CMYK if the image qualifies (i.e., less than 256 distinct colors accessed in image). As far as I know, PitStop does NOT change any image either to or from indexed color. In terms of how both PostScript and Acrobat/PDF handle indexed color, there is NO difference between let's say 8-bit indexed RGB and 24-bit RGB in terms of image quality, color, ability to separate, etc., again assuming that the image in question has no more than 256 distinct colors. If your print vendor is advising you that he cannot take indexed color in a PDF file or PostScript file either or both of the following is true: (1) Your print vendor has a RIP or some software package that is highly defective in that it is not obeying the PostScript and/or PDF language specifications. He should update his RIP or prepress software packages. (2) Your print vendor is highly uninformed as to what indexed color is OR thinks that he is "protecting" you somehow. In the former case, you may be dealing with the same type of ignorance that causes some printer to refuse any documents that have been within 5 miles of a TrueType font. In the latter case, the vendor may think that only 256 distinct colors is an accident, that you effectively downsampled the number of colors in your images. In any case, you might need to have a heart-to-heart with your print vendor and/or consider a change of print vendor to one who is more knowledgeable of the underlying technical issues. - Dov At 4/25/2002 10:20 AM, litton@lexmark.com wrote: >Howdy, > >Any help on this question would be greatly appreciated. > >Frame 6 >Acrobat 5 >Win 2k > >We've got docs that come from Frame, go to PDF, and are then "CMYKed" in >Pitstop. Essentially Pitstop changes any and all colors (RGB, Pantone, Grey) >into a CMYK version. This all works fine, but the CMYK ColorSpace is labeled as >Indexed. I don't know why or exactly what this means, but our print vendor says >they don't want it to be Indexed. I haven't found a way in Pitstop remove the >Indexed label. Is there something I can do in Frame or with the AdobePS driver >or Pitstop to get rid of the Indexed ColorSpace. > >Thanks, > >Brett Litton >Lexmark International ** To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@omsys.com ** ** with "unsubscribe framers" (no quotes) in the body. **