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To: Alt Framers <framers@xxxxxxxxx>, Framers <framers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: More unavailable fonts strangeness
From: Michael Cudmore <mcudmore@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:04:07 +1000
Sender: owner-framers@xxxxxxxxx
Folks, if you are not sick of these issues yet, here is another piece in the puzzle... -------------- The situation: Frame 5.5/Win98. Remember missing font names set to ON. A PS printer is the current printer, ATM is on and no printer driver or font installation changes have taken place during the steps detailed below. Got a document which contains unavailable fonts from a writer. (The document contains table definitions in the catalog but there are NO tables in the body page text flow.) Imported the text by copy from the body page flow A into a doc based on my clean (i.e. no unavailable fonts) template, with Reformat using current document formats and Remove other overrides set as the import options. Save, close and reopen my document. The usual "Document contains unavailable fonts" message appears. Console says Times will be used for Plantin in this session. Do a Find for character format: Family=Plantin on body, master and reference pages. Nothing shows up in any of those places. Fine, I think, there are plenty of other places a font can hide. ----------- Question 1: But since I imported the text into my own document, and the imported text (from body pages, flow A) contained NO tables, how could there be any other such places for a font to hide? The text was reformatted with my template's formats on import, so no unused p or f formats should have been imported with the text. I suppose there may be some empty text lines in an anchored frame somewhere. (I have not checked the doc aframe-by-aframe.) Anyone have any other ideas why the unavailable fonts message still appears? When I save the document, close and reopen, I once again get the message. No real surprise there. But when I save as MIF, close, and open the MIF, nothing is written to the console, and when I resave the MIF as fm and reopen, the unavailable fonts message does NOT appear and nothing is written to the console. And when I open the MIF as text and search for the string "Plantin" and (variants), none are found. ---------- Question 2: Saving as MIF when Remember Missing Fonts is on is not supposed to affect the status of unavailable fonts, is it? And if the unavailable font WAS in an empty text line, if I understand things correctly, the font specification (missing or otherwise) of an empty text line should NOT be changed by opening and then saving to MIF with Remember Missing Font Names set to ON. Does anyone have any ideas? Of course, one likely situation is that the fm document is just slightly off, in a way which is corrected when saving to MIF. And though in this case I don't need the unavailable fonts info retained when saving out to MIF and then back to a fm file, that is not always the case. I would be curious to see if anyone else has seen this type of behaviour, can tell me where the font info in question might be hiding, and whether there is any reason to worry that unavailable font info that IS needed might be lost saving to MIF, even though Remember missing font names is set to ON. A postcard from Melbourne.au to the poster of the most satisfying explanation. Thanks, Michael -- Michael Cudmore Project Development Manager National Educational Advancement Programs (NEAP) Pty Ltd 58 Pelham St Carlton Vic 3053 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 3 9663 2523 Fax: +61 3 9663 7182 e-mail: (work) mcudmore@neap.com.au (pers) mcudmore@email.com ** To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@omsys.com ** ** with "unsubscribe framers" (no quotes) in the body. **