RE: "requires java" was RE: FrameUsers and Netscape

["Hedley Finger (EPA)" <Hedley.Finger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Careful about criticizing the policies of the management and the functioning
of the services.  Look what it gets you ...

>>>>>

Hedley,

Because you cannot get your email to send is text is not the lists problem.
Test messages are not allowed on the list.  They are nothing but SPAM and
waste of bandwidth and resources.  You could have simply wait until you
wanted to reply to a message to make your post.

We have set up a simple filter to eliminated unsubscription requests and
test messages that are posted to the list and an autoresponse is sent.  You
have ignored the rules and posted the message anyway.  You are welcome to
participate if you will abide by the rules.  If you choose not to abide,
then appropriate action will be taken.

Please do not post test messages or your personal judgements of the
list/software/filters to the list--you know the rules, were even reminded of
the rules by the autoresponder, and you still decided to post your message.
Please don't let it happen again.

Thanks,

Brad

[Brad's signature omitted]

> From: Hedley Finger <hedley.finger@ericsson.com.au>
> Organization: Ericsson Australia Pty Ltd
> Reply-To: Hedley Finger <hedley.finger@ericsson.com.au>
> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:21:20 +1100
> To: framers@FrameUsers.com
> Subject: FrameMaker User very annoyed by TzEzSzT filtering
> 
> 
> **** TzEzSzT MESSAGE ****   PLEASE REMOVE
> 
> Owing to deficiencies in Outlook and Mail Exchange over which I have no
> control, an HTML version of any reply is appended to the Plain Text
> version EVEN though Outlook and Mail Exchange preferences are set to
> Plain Text Only.
> 
> Brad has set Lyris to automatically reject messages with HTML content.
> I have corresponded with him a number of times privately and sent
> TzEzSzT messages for him to return so I can examine the content for the
> dreaded HTML.
> 
> Now that I believe that I have a solution, I sent a version of this
> TzEzSzT message BUT this was rejected by the ubiquitous Lyris TzEzSzT
> filter.
> 
> On well-run mailing lists with decent listserver software, the
> listserver can be set to automatically strip HTML content if the owner
> chooses.  In my experience, TzEzSzT messages on most lists are
> infrequent and the recipients simply delete them.  But not on the list
> run by the UberModerator.
> 
> And what of the poor subscriber that wants to legitimately include the
> dreaded word TzEzSzT in a subject: "FrameScript to TzEzSzT Acrobat
> bookmark settings", for example.  Zapped, that's what.  At least there
> is an alternative Free Framers list -- see below.
> 
> [FrameMaker 5.5.6, Acrobat 3.02, Windows 98, HP OmniBook 2100]
> 
> Regards,
> Hedley Finger   Technical Writer
> 

[my signature omitted]
<<<<<<

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	David Cortesi [SMTP:dcortesi@mindspring.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, March 01, 2000 3:56 AM
> To:	framers@FrameUsers.com
> Cc:	FrameUsers.com FrameMaker Discussion List
> Subject:	re: "requires java" was RE: FrameUsers and Netscape
> 
> Ian says,
> 
> >No matter what URL I enter, and regardless of the fact that I have just
> used
> >my Netscape 4.0 browser with the Java 1.2 plug-in, I never get a
> navigation
> >bar displayed when I visit the FrameUsers web site. All I get is the
> message
> >(where the bar should be) saying 
> >"This navigation bar requires Java".
> 
> Java has to be enabled in the browser. Under Edit>Preferences
> select the "Advanced" group. You should see options for
> enabling Java and (the entirely unrelated) Javascript.
> 
> However, if you choose not to check these options you would
> not be alone. The Java Virtual Machine tends to hog system resources
> and cause system crashes, and Java is almost never used to deliver
> anything but trivial animations and ads.
> 
> Personally I *strongly* disagree with the new design of FrameUsers
> which is simply not accessible without java use.  This is *very*
> bad web design.  It ought to be axiomatic that BASIC NAVIGATION
> AND LINKAGE SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED FOR THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR.
> 
> Dave Cortesi
> 
---------------

Regards,
Hedley Finger   Technical Writer


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